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		<title>I&#8217;ll Never Get a Reference from @ToryJohnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karla</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Job Seeker]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[employment reference]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want a maid, a chauffeur, a cook (as good as me), a personal secretary and oh yeah, a lawn care specialist. And I've heard of slipping a doc some bills to let the prescription pad fall to the floor as he walks out the door. But never in a zillion years did it ever occur to me to hire a company to write employment references. That's a new one on me. Would I do it? That is the question....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-264" title="Naked_Cowboy_In_Times_Square" src="http://cache.karlaporter.com/2009/08/Naked_Cowboy_In_Times_Square-216x300.jpg" alt="Naked_Cowboy_In_Times_Square" width="216" height="300" />Let me start by saying I like Tory, a lot.  She has good advice for job seekers and a perky smile. She is the Employment Goddess at abc.com. She will be at the <a title="PA Governor's Conference for Women" href="http://www.pagovernorsconferenceforwomen.org/" target="_blank">PA Governor&#8217;s Conference for Women</a> on September 17th.</p>
<p>She&#8217;s got it going on&#8230;  Basically, she&#8217;s out on Time Square hob nobbing with the likes of the Naked Cowboy on Time Square in NYC. Now, tell me, who wouldn&#8217;t want that job? Tory, if you ever get tired, let me know, OK? We don&#8217;t have anyone quite like that dude on Wilkes-Barre Public Square.. Maybe we could do a Wife Swap like thing or something.</p>
<p>Like so many things these days, it all started with a tweet. She posted this:</p>
<p>&#8220;Smart or sleazy to fake job references?&#8221; and a link about an abc.com story, <a title="Faking Job References for a Price" href="http://abcnews.go.com/Business/fake-job-references-real-jobs/Story?id=8401993&amp;page=1" target="_blank">Faking Job References for a price</a>. The title intrigued me and I clicked the link. What ensued was a lesson in how to get exactly what it promised, fake job references &#8211; for a price. The price isn&#8217;t all that expensive either. Add to that fake resumes, doctor&#8217;s notes, landlord references and funeral excuses, you can pretty much live the life you wish to lead&#8230; maybe.</p>
<p>And, so I replied, &#8220;@toryjohnson Tory, Tory, come on, it&#8217;s not ethical but smart? YES&#8230;. odds r u won&#8217;t get caught &amp; if u do ur simply back 2 where u started.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tory had a hard time with my answer, and when I have my HR hat on I do too. Well OK, I had to take my HR hat off to do that. But it was my gut talking and since this occurred yesterday I am now even more convinced <em>I was right</em>.</p>
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<li>If you don&#8217;t get hired it doesn&#8217;t matter.</li>
<li>If you get hired and they don&#8217;t check your references it doesn&#8217;t matter &amp; you can pay your rent.</li>
<li>If you get an offer and they find out the references are fake you won&#8217;t get the job or you&#8217;ll get fired, but then you weren&#8217;t going to get it with your real references anyway so back to square 1.</li>
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<p>I have compassion. If I were out of work for so long that I was heading for eviction I would consider borrowing the money from someone to buy references. If I had gaps in my employment because I was fancy footing around and hadn&#8217;t grown up yet , but I had changed and now that was holding me back? Yeah, maybe.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t judge people on why they make the decisions they do. They obviously make them because they believe in the moment they&#8217;re the right things to do. <em>The deal is you have to be prepared to pay the consequences.</em> You have to be prepared to be not hired or to be fired if you&#8217;re caught. I understand for some people and in some circumstances it&#8217;s worth it to take that risk.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I don&#8217;t understand why entry level and non-managerial positions require employment references. I think it&#8217;s an old-fashioned way to do business. I am in favor of criminal and credit history background checks, the need depending on the nature of the job. I think an employer has a right to know. Anything less than lapses in judgment so severe they cause incarceration or severe patterns of defaulting on credit (though in today&#8217;s world it&#8217;s hard to find people who haven&#8217;t) really isn&#8217;t my business to put you to work serving food, stocking shelves or running equipment.</p>
<p>As a Recruiter and/or Hiring Manager I need to be able to determine if you have the aptitude and attitude to do the job via performance and behavioral based interviewing. Frankly, the issues you had 5 years ago really don&#8217;t concern me today.  Life can hit anyone at any time and though I have empathy for you not having transportation 5 years ago and poor attendance as a result, I care about your situation today not how you got fired for that.</p>
<p>Never in a million years would I recommend faking references. I was raised right, to be honest, do good and treat others as I would like to be treated. Yet at the same time, I know life isn&#8217;t always fair and sometimes you can get left holding a bad hand.</p>
<p>So you do what you have to do. Just be prepared to deal with the possible consequences.</p>
<p>If today&#8217;s Recruiters are savvy they&#8217;re going to see right through those <a title="Career Excuse" href="http://www.careerexcuse.com/" target="_blank">fake references</a>. If not, well then the joke&#8217;s on them.</p>
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