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I’ll Never Get a Reference from @ToryJohnson

Aug 27, 2009 / Job Seeker / Trackback

Naked_Cowboy_In_Times_SquareLet me start by say­ing I like Tory, a lot.  She has good advice for job seek­ers and a perky smile. She is the Employ­ment God­dess at abc.com. She will be at the PA Governor’s Con­fer­ence for Women on Sep­tem­ber 17th.

She’s got it going on…  Basi­cally, she’s out on Time Square hob nob­bing with the likes of the Naked Cow­boy on Time Square in NYC. Now, tell me, who wouldn’t want that job? Tory, if you ever get tired, let me know, OK? We don’t have any­one quite like that dude on Wilkes-Barre Pub­lic Square.. Maybe we could do a Wife Swap like thing or something.

Like so many things these days, it all started with a tweet. She posted this:

“Smart or sleazy to fake job ref­er­ences?” and a link about an abc.com story, Fak­ing Job Ref­er­ences for a price. The title intrigued me and I clicked the link. What ensued was a les­son in how to get exactly what it promised, fake job ref­er­ences — for a price. The price isn’t all that expen­sive either. Add to that fake resumes, doctor’s notes, land­lord ref­er­ences and funeral excuses, you can pretty much live the life you wish to lead… maybe.

And, so I replied, “@toryjohnson Tory, Tory, come on, it’s not eth­i­cal but smart? YES.… odds r u won’t get caught & if u do ur sim­ply back 2 where u started.”

Tory had a hard time with my answer, and when I have my HR hat on I do too. Well OK, I had to take my HR hat off to do that. But it was my gut talk­ing and since this occurred yes­ter­day I am now even more con­vinced I was right.

  1. If you don’t get hired it doesn’t matter.
  2. If you get hired and they don’t check your ref­er­ences it doesn’t mat­ter & you can pay your rent.
  3. If you get an offer and they find out the ref­er­ences are fake you won’t get the job or you’ll get fired, but then you weren’t going to get it with your real ref­er­ences any­way so back to square 1.

I have com­pas­sion. If I were out of work for so long that I was head­ing for evic­tion I would con­sider bor­row­ing the money from some­one to buy ref­er­ences. If I had gaps in my employ­ment because I was fancy foot­ing around and hadn’t grown up yet , but I had changed and now that was hold­ing me back? Yeah, maybe.

I don’t judge peo­ple on why they make the deci­sions they do. They obvi­ously make them because they believe in the moment they’re the right things to do. The deal is you have to be pre­pared to pay the con­se­quences. You have to be pre­pared to be not hired or to be fired if you’re caught. I under­stand for some peo­ple and in some cir­cum­stances it’s worth it to take that risk.

On the other hand, I don’t under­stand why entry level and non-managerial posi­tions require employ­ment ref­er­ences. I think it’s an old-fashioned way to do busi­ness. I am in favor of crim­i­nal and credit his­tory back­ground checks, the need depend­ing on the nature of the job. I think an employer has a right to know. Any­thing less than lapses in judg­ment so severe they cause incar­cer­a­tion or severe pat­terns of default­ing on credit (though in today’s world it’s hard to find peo­ple who haven’t) really isn’t my busi­ness to put you to work serv­ing food, stock­ing shelves or run­ning equipment.

As a Recruiter and/or Hir­ing Man­ager I need to be able to deter­mine if you have the apti­tude and atti­tude to do the job via per­for­mance and behav­ioral based inter­view­ing. Frankly, the issues you had 5 years ago really don’t con­cern me today.  Life can hit any­one at any time and though I have empa­thy for you not hav­ing trans­porta­tion 5 years ago and poor atten­dance as a result, I care about your sit­u­a­tion today not how you got fired for that.

Never in a mil­lion years would I rec­om­mend fak­ing ref­er­ences. I was raised right, to be hon­est, do good and treat oth­ers as I would like to be treated. Yet at the same time, I know life isn’t always fair and some­times you can get left hold­ing a bad hand.

So you do what you have to do. Just be pre­pared to deal with the pos­si­ble consequences.

If today’s Recruiters are savvy they’re going to see right through those fake ref­er­ences. If not, well then the joke’s on them.



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